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New front page system?

Journal Entry: Fri Jan 20, 2012, 7:41 PM


Honestly I don't know how people will respond to this? Negative or positive? I don't know, all I know is I have to say it.

I have already made a poll about it and it seems the majority weren't even aware there was a new system, most people actually thought it was a bug...says a lot about it already. Anyway... I have sent and inquiry and I can now officially confirm DA is running a new front page system. Let me explain what it basically does. The 'popular page' called so because popular works are featured there has changed. The new system is designed to give a leg up to more 'undiscovered artists'. Basically? the system no longer works according to favourites like the old system did. More obscure categories are granted priority over more popular ones e.g Fanart-anime manga- movies TV would be replaced by a image with a lower fav count from Fanart-digital-vector. Before I get lynched by people accusing me of being annoyed/jealous because my own work is no longer featured on the front page? I am annoyed because it is a misleading and deceptive system. It is also grotesquely unfair.

Why is this bad to make it easier to get on the front page? making it easy to get onto the front page is the whole problem. There is no sugar coating it, DA is a very very competitive place and that is what makes it a great site. It actively pushes people to improve, take risks and learn how to network to reach the front page. This new system is unstable and pointless. People will reach the front page but it will be because of a fluke not because they have built up a fan base of people who genuinely enjoy their artwork.  It will be completely inconsistent.

DA had a great system, a lot of people will disagree, but the competitive atmosphere is what made this place interesting. It had an edge on other sites because their system wasn't as smooth, their interface wasn't as aesthetically pleasing and there wasn't such a big drive to 'make it'.

I know DA did it out of good will, but I firmly believe it is a mistake. They will lose their 'popular' artists who will go else where because of this bias attitude. No one started popular, they were made popular by the community because the community chose them. I really like this site and I would hate to see DeviantArt ruin it like it is doing.

I think the new system would have been a brilliant idea if they had created a new page for it alongside 'popular' and 'newest'  instead of it acting as a replacement. This would give those who are tired of the same old same old, a place to go find new stuff instead of that being the only option for everyone.

I will give you an example of how this system would look. The folks up at the Broadcasting Standards Authority decide that the Ipod is getting too much screen time. They drastically cut its air time, and only let it broadcast at night time so the new product can get a leg up. Is that fair? Is that how things work? I am sure there would be public outcry and law suits shooting left and right.

But the thing about DA is we don't really get a say, DA is a free site so they don't really have to abide by their members suggestions ( though it is a good idea considering their members are their income..not a good idea to piss them off). They have done a few things people disagreed with. e.g making journals into deviations. A lot of people are also saying that they are doing this new system so people will buy more premium memberships? I don't really buy that but I think they are trying to make their site more 'friendly' to new comers. But alas I am rather convinced they are doing it wrong.

What do you think? Do you like the new system or do you think its a mistake?

If you are opposed to the new system please let DA know, and spread the word. They won't do anything if no one says anything. I have also openend a threat about it on the suggestion forum here forum.deviantart.com/devart/su…


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:iconkamon159:
kamon159 Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm fifteen, been drawing since the age of eight, and loyal to deviantART for three years now. I think the best thing about it is that I've gotten critiques from many people, mostly people I don't know, which makes it even better, and caught a glimpse of what the 'professional artist' is like. I've never been so big on statistics, but even so, since then I've been trying to slowly work up the ranks to see something from me hit the front page, just to see if my time learning from the other members here has been worth it. I mean, that's what getting on the front page is right? It's something you earn, right, because you're working really hard for it?

I mean, I know I'm nowhere near there yet, and probably not anytime soon, but this new system thing kind of makes me want it less.
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MrDaedalus Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2012
Your journal, the front page and people liking this are damn shallow. The old system failed, this system failed, your system will fail too because there will be a gab between newcomers, newly popular and super popular people. One will dominate the other again, you'll just add a new group to a failing system. Good art will be recognised. Most stuff on the front page is crap, you know it, the artist knows it, everyone smart enough knows it, so what is good about it? Front page has always been about having a glance at it and maybe seeing only a few good pieces of art. A lot of people just don't realise it. Best thing to do about it is for dA to tell all these people dA has a lot more to offer than just the front page lol.

You also say people who have built up a fan base. This isn't about art anymore, it's a contest for having most people like you and your art. Great idea... How much time did you spend thinking about this?


"I will give you an example of how this system would look. The folks up at the Broadcasting Standards Authority decide that the Ipod is getting too much screen time. They drastically cut its air time, and only let it broadcast at night time so the new product can get a leg up. Is that fair? Is that how things work? I am sure there would be public outcry and law suits shooting left and right."
Your example is just perfect for how shallow your idea is. This stuff is purely about publicity and money, same things you seem so want.
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Kaizeru Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Well, i thought it was a bug for ages, but finally my suspicions are confirmed. That is all i needed to know and thanks for the info.
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Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I for one hope this new system will at last give more exposure to pixel artists, iconists and the likes.
There are more art-forms than just digital art, manga/anime and fan art alone and I for one think it's good that the frontpage is now made to reflect that. :shrug:
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dragonweyrgirl Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2012  Student General Artist
Eh, I'm neutral on it.

One thing I don't like about the popular page is that a lot of people already watch them... so there's a good chance that we all have it in our inboxes already. I'm also tired of all the nudity. I guess there are some tasteful ones... but mostly not, IMO. (But everyone has different tastes, no?)
One thing I like about it is that I get exposed to some of the more popular things... However, sometimes this can be extremely annoying (Ex: "I've seen enough of My Little Pony!") or sometimes it can be great (Ex: "Yes! More Homestuck!") So the personal likes idea seems pretty good : D

I definitely think they should add a new page for it. I love how on the footer I can choose between popular and new deviations. (I think those are the choices, I haven't touched it in forever.)
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Anekmehkt Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The FP was stupid to begin with. :| A threat? Really? :lmao:
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1nky Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2012
"Why is this bad to make it easier to get on the front page? making it easy to get onto the front page is the whole problem. There is no sugar coating it, DA is a very very competitive place and that is what makes it a great site. It actively pushes people to improve, take risks and learn how to network to reach the front page. This new system is unstable and pointless. People will reach the front page but it will be because of a fluke not because they have built up a fan base of people who genuinely enjoy their artwork. It will be completely inconsistent."

The front page was inconsistent to begin with. Popularity goes with current affairs, signal boosting and what people like, not the actual quality of the artwork. And while commercially, art does come down to competition, it doesn't have to be the same for a website that specialises in making art, and not purely popularity contests. I do agree with the fact that if DA wants to implement this kind of system, then there should be a third option other than "Newest" and "Popular," because it is indeed neither. But with that said...

The front page shouldn't constitute as a factor on whether someone's art is good or not. It is a spotlight, and gains attention, but it's ultimately quite flawed. It's not about 'working up the rungs of the deviantArt ladder,' it's about finding out what people like and identify with, and then working with that. And if you enjoy drawing the kind of things people like, then it's a double-bonus. But it is very, very far from consistent.

I do agree that DA should be more honest on how this system works but... yeah. Apologies.
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Lehanan Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2012
P.S. I cannot post in the suggestion forum either.
However, will DA listen to us and change things? The only thing they changed was the Sta.sh system for journals when they read a lot of people complaining about it. The rest, I'm pretty sure they ignored us >_>UU
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Lehanan Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2012
I may sound terribly selfish here, and I honestly didn't care about my DA stadistics before... but due to this new system, my works won't be in the front page anymore, which means I won't get exposure (I already lost a lot of it, and honestly, it's a bit of "frustrating") :-/ That's the cause why I'm not really active here latelly; if you don't find the motivation you need here, you'll get tired of this site (at least that's what happens to me).

Not to add the front page now it's full of "crap" in my opinion. I know; "popularity" doesn't always mean "quality", and "unknown" artists need exposure as well. So I agree and disagree at the same time with this new system.

I don't understand why DA doesn't keep things as always. I don't like most of changes DA has done since I joined. The best DA system was the one I knew in 2007.
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KaylaKedziora Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
lol its funny seeing this commant coming from u since uv been on the frount page recently
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Lehanan Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014
Bwhaha, you're right. Things were different one year ago XD
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KaylaKedziora Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
lol good times XD
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ParadoxCore Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not really sure what to think of this, to be honest....

Before, people were complaining that just the popular artists came on the front page... better said, whoever had an ocean full of watchers would have a really high chance on coming on the front page as it seemed -almost no matter how good the art was. There was partwise the biggest crap on the FP or just total mainstream muck.

Some of the artists that came steadily or really often on the FP, just were drawing mostly the same stuff over and over.... no matter how good the technique is, but drawing all the time for example kitties or lolita girls etc... should that really be on the front page?

Then again have been times when no "good" art seemed to be uploaded in the last 8 or 24 hours and again were people complaining. Numerous journals about "wtf, what's going on with the FP?! why is there just crap!!" ...and so on, you know the story.

I have to admit it, I hardly noticed much difference now.

When you explained how the new system works.. the new system might be a bit unfair... or well, I wouldn't call it that -rather not that well thought out. A third option might be something good, but then again would people always find something to complain about.


Personally, I get creeps when I see like right now, a collage of some stupid plushie of an so popular comic-serie, or a stock image of a bee... or a very simple made pic of some strange...blue and violet thingies (dunno how to even call it).
As said, that's my personal taste, this isn't meant to bash these pictures or something.

Just wanted to give some kinda example... But even if there are a couple of people that say that the new system is unfair and bad, it indeed does give a chance to some less seen artists on here... there might be the ones that just think "wth?" when they see it on the FP, but it's a fact that it gets seen.

And that's probably why the guys that are responsible for the system, won't see any reason to change it.
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moni158 Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2012  Student Filmographer
There is apparently a new system coming out that has more features :shrug: hopefully everyone will find a feature they like personally and people will stop complaining...( though I doubt it)
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ParadoxCore Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hm...well, we will see then if it will get the people here to feel content about it.
Do you know when this new system might come up?
Though right, who wants to complain, will always find something to ;)
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snapdragonanime101 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Newcomers e_e

A fair portion of dA's community are users with very low page views because all of their galleries are filled with bases, traces, colour overs and the like.

If I wanted to see a more obscure artist I'd dig through and find it myself.
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ExoPanda Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012  Student General Artist
hmm so that's what it is. I wondered why there were 2 photos of a woman's behind wearing a thong as some of 'the most favorited' pictures. I want to see really good art. Not suggestive photos. There's a reason why it goes in the 'pin-up' section.
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Kagamikannon Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I agree with you, the popular page had become quite dull and somehow the sense of community has been diminished . . however I also believe that popular artists are obviously popular for a reason, they've worked hard and therefore they do not neccesarily need a 'popular page' to mantain that status, I understand that some popular people may not like the new system but they should not be put off by it too much, since they'll still have they're watchers/ fans. Art is about the passion and feeling/ not popularity/ skill. ^-^
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BeanyCoffee Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Being popular on deviantart has always meant nothing, so I'm glad to see the front page finally reflect that. People who have gained a lot of watchers will still have those watchers whether they're on the front page or not, so I don't see why it matters.

Personally, I think the front page should just be customized, so each member can view what they want to instead of having to dig through each category. And hopefully some of the popular kids, not just you, will deflate their ego a tad.
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Kiyamasho Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
not trying to sound ignorant but can't people customize what they want to see through the channels option?? because if they can then there's no point in having a customizable front page it would be redundant. unless dA would just change the front page to channels....i dunno XD
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BeanyCoffee Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Yes and no. They're able to browse by category and see what is popular in each category one at a time. I was thinking more along the lines of a filtering option for the front page. For instance, if I wanted to see nothing but Digital Art and Tutorials, then I would just have those two options, or boxes or whatever, checked. On the other hand, if I didn't want to see Stamps or Literature on my front page, I could uncheck those and they would be filtered out. And it would save your settings so that you wouldn't have to do it every time you logged in, or visited the front page. If that makes more sense. :U

If I remember correctly, when I first joined here, the front page worked like the Channels option. If they don't feel like putting forth the effort for something like I suggested, then they should just put it back to the way it was with the channels. I mean I get the point of the "Most Popular 8/24 Hours in all of DeviantART" idea, but it continues to be implemented poorly.
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Kiyamasho Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
mmmmm ok I get what you're saying now. It really would be nice to have a system like that. Thanks for explaining!
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BeanyCoffee Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
No prob!
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moni158 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Student Filmographer
Personally customizable front page? that is a really good idea =O
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BeanyCoffee Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I left a comment about it on a +spyed journal and, naturally, didn't get a response. So that's about as far as that idea is going to go, hah.
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moni158 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Student Filmographer
Laaammmee, You could have been onto something there...
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Nocturnax Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't visit the front page often so I didn't notice this till recently, when I looked on the front page and was like "Hmm, I'm not too impressed" - then I realized things had changed. I firmly agree with you - the change to give other artists a "leg up" was in good will, but at the same time it punishes the people who worked hard to be good enough to get on the front page. I like your idea of making a new section between Popular and Newest.
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Zatsune218 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
"I think the new system would have been a brilliant idea if they had created a new page for it alongside 'popular' and 'newest' instead of it acting as a replacement. This would give those who are tired of the same old same old, a place to go find new stuff instead of that being the only option for everyone."

I totally agree with this option. -- The new front page system, it's actually getting pointless. I think DA should feature those artworks that deserve to be featured. Or that they they really make some options for the popular ones and the new stuff.

And because of this new front page system, I rarely get to fave artworks. It's really, really pointless. I don't see why they have to put it there, just because they don't get to have a chance to get themselves on the front page system? My, some artists might lose the urge to out their efforts more into their pieces.
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NightOfMyLife07 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Just showing my support for this journal regarding this sensitive issue.
I agree with moni completely. What is the point of calling it 'most popular' when its not actually that at all. I think there should be a new catagory along with 'newest' and 'popular'. That is an excellent idea, and is not deceptive in any way. We would like the option. :D
(thanks for this journal moni, it has really cleared things up for me :D)
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Angelic-Fallacy Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Let me start off by saying I am not against your suggestion.

However, I don't think anyone who takes art seriously should worry about what is essentially a popularity contest based on views/favorites/and being on the front page. Sure the encouragement is nice, like any other pat on the back, but the only certainty in having high numbers and being on the front page is that you've been seen a lot. It doesn't make people a great artist. It wont pay your bills. It wont get you a job. What it comes down to is ability and drive; how far you push your skills to expand and how far you'll go to get the success you want.

I know amazing artists who've never been on the front page, with lower page counts or favs than others, and it's all due to the fact that they aren't spamming their page with their productions.

On the other hand, I've seen pretty basic and bland stuff on peoples pages who have hundreds of thousands of views, and have come across the front page. Why? They whip out their art furiously to keep pace.

As an even worse example, I've seen people gain popularity through desperate acts of simply being profane, grotesque, appalling, or doing something else similarly through the means of feeding off peoples attraction to the macabre, taboo, forbidden or otherwise.

I can see some value in your argument and it's foundation; the encouragement is nice, it's a way to advertise yourself, and so on. But you can find encouragement through other means. And you can advertise yourself, and show your art in other ways. "Groups" being a good alternative. Not to mention real life galleries and so forth. I make more money dealing out art to people around where I live than I do through online commissions-- but that's me.

Anyway... My point is that I don't think people should fret and worry themselves so much about something that seems so egotistic. If you get the attention you want and end up on the front page, oh goody goody. Take a picture, mark the calendar, pat yourself on the back and then think about how much it -really- matters. Which isn't that much at all.

Like I said before, I understand your argument and I can agree that the system should change. I also think the DD system could change. But I won't hold my breath.

I'm just gonna focus on improving my artistic abilities and enjoying the results. I'm an artist because it makes me happy. If it makes others happy in the end as well, that's a bonus. But no one should do it just for the sake of attention.

Wow, sorry to ramble on you. Take this opinion with a pinch of salt, please. Don't let it put a kink in your gears. I'm not saying any of this to upset you. Just giving you my view on the matter, as the option for comments is here.
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Aquamarina1 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012
I agree with you. A third option would be a great idea - I like to see the very popular artists on the first page because there are people who I don't watch and thats how I see their new art. This confuses me too much.
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Smirtouille Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I disagree with you on this. Here, as DA front page worked previously, you have already very well established deviants with gigantic fan bases, who will automatically get on the front page just because they have a looot of exposure already. Whatever they'll post, that being good or mediocre, gets front page. I think that is unfair.
Now, as it seems, the thing is shaken from time to time so you get less popular people on the front page (like me). That happening, other deviants will get exposure, but the already popular ones are still very popular and still get tons of exposure because of previous exposure, whatever happens, they aren't harmed in any way.
I think popularity is not exactly equal to quality.This new system allows to see more artists, so more chances to discover talented people that I wouldn't have known of otherwise. I think it's perfectly fair.
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ashesonfire Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree when you say they should make a third page instead of replacing the popular page with this new system.
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chibiasta Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i rarely, if ever go on the front page of dA anymore... cause every since a long time ago it has stopped giving me what i want to see... and for people that i want to watch, it seems i've already watched them all , dA is running out of watch worthy artist that i'm interested in, so there is no point visiting the front page anymore... it might well because the front page algorithm is not that successful... and i have been going more to pixiv for good artwork (especially they offer english edition now) however i believe being a good artist or not is not defined by popularity. if you're a good artist, you will be popular regardless of if you're featured on the front page or not.
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j-b0x Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012
i completely agree with every word you said!
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LiGhtOFthEaBYSS Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
This new system is really annoying.
It used to be really pleasing to go on the front page and see amazing art (digital,traditional,photography,etc) either way, it was an easy way for my favorites to instantly fill. Now, and no offense to people on the front page now, is really full of crap. There's mediocre drawings, (traditional and not) cliche images, and tasteless "artistic" nudes. And I do put the emphasis when using quotes on the word artistic. I don't like the new system because me being a relatively new artist means the better I get, the less it matters on the website because like you said the competition for the number one spot is basically to hell now. I know an amazing artist who left the site because she said that when she said something about the system, the administrators said that " an artist like her shouldn't be complaining that she isn't getting front page spots" ( this isn't an exact quote), and she felt her opinion didn't matter here. I hope administrators take into consideration what their doing because it really feels that they're being hypocritical be being 110% against SOPA, but they're doing this which thus not caring of our opinions and doing what they want for more income from premium memberships.
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Moonrisepower Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Very well said!! I didn't notice at first because I generally don't pay a whole lot of attention to the popular page, but after everyone started talking about it, I looked. The art on the popular page now is good, but most of it isn't exactly worthy of the front page. It's nice that they're getting attention, but it's not fair to the actually popular artists. They should definitely make a second page for this and change the popular page to how it was before. How can it be called 'most popular' if it isn't the most popular???
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Kendaiblue Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Your thread on the suggestion forum doesn't allow me to comment. Is this normal or is it more like censorship of malcontents?

Some people are defending this, some to the tune of "those artists are already popular, they don't need more views." To those people I say firstly: that actually has nothing to do with how the new "popular" system works.

The variety is added by reducing the prevalence of certain categories. Categories with a lot of stuff in them get pushed back by this system. So if your work happens to be in a popular category, your chances are even worse. When one of the categories discriminated against shows up it will be one of those "over viewed" artists with tons of watchers who fave everything they make. And the ones pushed UP are by category too, so the most popular "fetish portraits" and such will show up instead of stuff that's actually more popular.

And on a more fundamental area, what about people looking for stuff to like? They're the ones the FrontPage gallery should be for anyway, and by hiding stuff that's already popular you're essentially saying to those people "enough people like this already, so I'm not letting you see it.
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ZaraAlfonso Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Moni's thread was locked by a dA community volunteer because there was already a thread made in the suggestion forum regarding the issues with the front page. It can be found here: [link]

Hope that helps!
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Kendaiblue Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, so redundancy.
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Anomalies13 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Professional
For some reason, I can't reply to your forum thread. Anyway, I'm not obsessed about the front page. I don't even go to the front page at all. I just go straight to my own DA page, my own account. Popularity is not something I focus on achieving. I just focus on bettering myself and if I become decent enough, the popularity may come, but in all honesty, I do not go out of my way or anything of the sort to achieve it. So all of this is kinda stupid to me to bitch about and whine. I can see and understand both sides. DA's just trying to help promote other artists who don't get their shine on the front page, and this new system pisses off popular artists because they're already in competition. Honestly, and this is just my opinion, the whole popularity thing is stupid. Just focus on yourself and your own work, if people like you enough to fave your works, comment, and deviwatch you, that should suffice. I don't find the people I deviwatch through the front page. I find them through recommendations of others I deviwatch and through the occasional amazing DD.

Now one talented artist on DA that I enjoyed deviwatch is all in a hissy fit about the front page and refuses to post their art, so I'm very pissed off that people even bitch about the front page, because this is an art site, just make your art and share it. Who cares if it makes it to the front page? I know I don't deviwatch people because they got some 15 minutes of fame on the front page. So yes, there are other ways to obtain your popularity. The front page system's change is not the end of the world.

I don't need people replying to my comment all pissed off that I stated my own opinion. If you don't agree with my opinion, that's fine. Don't bother me about it. I'm not trying to troll anyone, I'm just sharing my own opinion on the whole thing. I'm just ending with this because my god, I am so sick of people feeling the need to slam down on my opinion just because they felt butt-hurt reading it. :hmm:
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jinsake Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012
I'm a watcher of artists... not an artist. And I think this sucks. I liked being able to see the good stuff on the front page. Not a whole bunch of half naked bondaged-up women and things. Anime/manga is popular, why not continue to advertise it? I've found new anime/manga simply through awesome fanart that has got me interested. I think it's terrible to penalize good artists for a)being good and b) doing artwork in a popular category (like anime/manga).

As a watcher, I'm terribly afraid all my favourite artists are going to go elsewhere without warning and I'll not be able to find them again.
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cocoawolf29 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I noticed the quality of the front page pieces going down lately. Now I know why. I think it is nice for the people getting front page pieces, but I agree that competiviness is what makes the front page so amazing. I hope they change it back
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Namyi Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I miss the old one ): Coming on da has been a lot less fun now that i get spammed with nudity and general porn pictures day by day > . >
People at school have been looking weird at me because they thought I was looking up porn when I was just looking at the popular section ಠ _ ಠ

They also blocked your forum post > . >
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msol3719 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012
i agree and i really miss the old one =S
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FujiChii Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I didn't even know there was a new front page system which is sad on my part. But I agree with you. Competition is healthy. Like you said it encourages people to improve and do better. Yet some people dont take competition in a positive way as such. I think there should be a compromise with the new system. Like you had said make a new section next to "newest" and "popular" like a "did you know so and so joined blah blah and has so and so deviations? Check them out." it's like a hint hint nudge nudge for newbies and for those with not a lot of pageviews. They get some promotion but not total. From there they are on their own. You know? The other thing is with the journals being deviations. All I have to say is... Why..?? What really was the point of that? I don't mind it but... I really.. Don't see why it was needed?? The real thing that pisses me off that I think DA should consider taking down is that download button. Why would you allow people to download works such as literature when they can probably be using it to benefit themselves. As in not giving you credit. Is there anyway, by using those copyright selections or Something else, to take that off your work??
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Apofiss Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012   Digital Artist
the current 'popular' category should be made into the third category named 'underappreciated' thus everyone would be satisfied... more and less popular artists could get their exposure!
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Zetsu-0-Sakura Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012
Personally, I believe that dA is just going down the drain in general. $taff are really doing their job. Plus, we have one of the staff members that posts copyrighted crap and it's against the dA rules.

First we have the DDs, where most of it was just shit and hardly have effort on it. I saw a DD not so long ago that was just a photo of a man's erected penis. I would ask why it has a DD, but I don't feel like having a bunch of senior deviants up my ass for it.

Then, we have journals as deviations. That is just stupid and pointless. What is really the point of that? Seriously?

I will admit, I didn't notice that the front page changed. I did noticed that I found a whole bunch of pictures of naked women (I thought that ony happened because I'm eighteen now and my mature filter is off), and a bunch of mediocre photos and art. Now you mentioned it, I know why now. Some of the artists I found there are pretty good that I believe that deserved to be on the FP, but those nude photos (no I don't consider everyone of them I see on the FP so far, artistic nude) have got to go.

Though, I also believe that certain artists should have a chance to shine on the front page other than just you, *DemiseMAN, *AishaxNekox, *TomPreston, etc. all the time. Some of the art I've seen on today's FP... I wished that they'd be displayed on the old system instead. Like *FaceRot for an example since I believe that I found him because of the new system. His coloring is outstanding, and his details are unbelievable. I wished I found him a long time ago.

Other than this, I do agree with you. I believe that being on the FP is something you have to earn by a lot of effort, practice, and improvement. Not just being picked randomly. That's just going too easy. Also, not because of original art, because that's just unfair for those who worked just as hard on fanart.
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Zetsu-0-Sakura Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012
*aren't doing their job. Eh... :iconheaddeskplz:
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Kuzukinz Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I noticed a big difference because the art going up now is generally boring and not worth my time to look at anymore. The way before I'd be faving half the page, now I fav maybe 2 things per week. :T Nothing appeals to me, it's not bad, it's just.. boring. I want the old front page back..
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