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Journal Entry: Sun Jul 31, 2011, 6:46 AM

Just something that has been on my mind for a while... this attitude I am encountering more and more. Its an attitude where people feel that you owe them something for no particular reason other than your work is gaining exposure? I am not just speaking for myself but others too who I have seen getting barraged by people with this kind of mindset.

For example comments along the line of 'This is okay, but when are you going to do some real art, do some landscapes and nude portraits, you will get no where in life with anime', or stop spamming with crappy pictures, only submit ones that are polished an finished because I am sick of getting my inbox spammed with all your crappy 'scribbles'. 'I really don't see why your pictures get so much attention, there are people on here much better than you'.

(removing link due to there ED having un-suitable content for linking) If you wanna go find it feel free >.<

The artists here and elsewhere do not owe you anything just because their work gets on the front page or they have many followers, this is merely a free portfolio where people can share and talk about their interests and artwork.  Some people take art more seriously than others, some are in it to because professional freelancers or concept artists/animators/ illustrators, and some do it as a hobby because they enjoy it. This doesn't mean don't give feedback or constructive criticism since this is how people grow in skill. Just have fun and enjoy DA's broad spectrum of art and its helpful community. ;) I know there are always going to be people who are going to complain regardless, that is just a fact of life and don't be discouraged, your account is your own to do with as you please, and don't let others define what you do and what you like to draw. :huggle:

(Edit- I think people are deviating a little away from the point, I am not trying to point fingers, just saying sometimes people can be harsh but if you love what your doing, then keep doing it ^^ ( that doesn't mean ignore criticism since a critique is probably the best kind of feedback an artists can get ^^)

(Edit again) -folks there really is no need to go and comment on their thread?(that was just a little part of what I was saying though it seems to have become the focus? >.< I was just using it as an example that people can be a little harsh ( but that doesn't mean they can't voice their opinions since they do have every right to, just that if you put your stuff out there its going to get criticism and its best to look for the good in what they people say and what can help even it is like I said, a little 'harsh'.^^

After writing this it has brought a few issues to my attention :ohnoes: There is a quite a bit of truth behind some of the things they are saying regarding how people take criticism. I have seen lots of people (not everyone of course) turn around and lash out at people who give them feedback that isn't entirely to their liking ( I am not talking about the forum but here on DA) , DA is a place with varying degrees of skill and artistic backgrounds and there is a lot that can be learnt here, so best to listen and thank those who take the time to give constructive and helpful criticism because its there to help you improve and develop as an artist.>.<

Another thing is my 'tutorials'... I would like to say officially that they are NOT tutorials, I am not telling people how to draw perfectly just what I find useful or things I have discovered in my own time drawing. If you look at them none are in the tutorial category, they are instead stock images because if someone does find them useful they can use them or use them elsewhere. I do this because I know my art is flawed and of course I still have a lot to learn, I also have had some wonderful feedback that has helped me progress and I just want to share what others have shared with me. =)

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Tifa22 Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I wish I could fave this journal (maybe without all the edits :lol:) :aww:
Alpha621 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Student General Artist
Very well put :clap: !! It is very important to keep doing what you do best :) (and not letting someone or some people tell you other wise :nod: ).
NordicLynx Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I agree :)
justien16 Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2011
I agree haters gonna hate but don't let get you XD
Kouri-n Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
twitchglitch Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
my friend gets it a ton. I personally get ignored so its all good for me but I hate when people are rude to her and say those things.... She's learning and thats part of the fun of DA is there are so many people who can critique the work and help push artist in the right directions... but I guess rude people are everywhere
FreddyBAAbob Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2011
:w00t: You said it! :iconhuggleplz:
lovesart1296 Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2011  Hobbyist
D: moniii~ i want to hug you T^T. and i also want to slap those people that dont know true art when they see it >.>. theyre just big bullies :'C
Epik-NinjaX Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011
I really Hate it when people say "Why do you bother? anime isn't art." Alot of people get that Idea because they think it's unrealistic and unoriginal or easy to draw, when the people who draw Realistic drawings, are drawing pictures of things that already exists, THAT'S pretty unoriginal, so why do THEY bother? (I'm not bashing anyone I'm just saying that it works both ways.)
And when someone says that anime isn't art because it's easy to draw, for one, its not, it takes lots of time and practice to be able to draw a decent anime-style picture. JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ART STYLE, and for another, They've probably never drawn in that style in their life, or they tried to and failed.

Criticism is okay in my opinion but when someone insults someone because of their artwork in no better than any other troll on the internet.
VP-Land-of-La Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I know what you mean. :(
I don't know why people think they have the right to say such things.
At the same time, I must thank you, because you are one of the people who has inspired me to try harder and improve my work. I FINALLY managed to buy a tablet and am still messing around with it at the moment. ^^;
Demonrik Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That is very interesting that you say these things... I've seen this aswell!!!
roflmao9000 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011
Sadly the new EDF 2.0 is filled with haters that only post things because they don't like the characters/subjects/artforms (which is probably my mistake because I linked it in the ED group, and you know, all the cool kids hang out in EDF). The original "Shit in front-page" from EDF 1.0 focused only in really badly done work and if someone posted one that looked decent or good we actually bothered to disscuss it so it never gave us issues like this.

I remember a user that spammed the thread with your semi-tutorial pictures; it was tiring because they may not be the ultimate art tutorial but they were actually very useful tips on art basics which art beeginers can use to developt their techniques but somehow this person misinterpretate them as "ultimate tutorials". I actually learned the most of what I know about drawing and painting by following very similar tutorials but done by ~Tozani.

Anyway, the thread in EDF 2.0 is what happens when a bunch of art noobs think they can critique: They only throw a picture, sometimes a good one and say "this is shit I hate it". They are the reason why mostly of the previous EDF lurkers don't want to come back :| and again I feel is all my fault.

I don't want to sound like if I'm over-hyping my crew but in old EDF people who hung around the dA subforum where actual art and design students or at least people with enough practice and knowledge in art subjects.

So at the end the reactions of people who read EDF 1.0: "Hey, this people is actually right and it's actually making good points about the artwork."
In EDF 2.0: "BLAH BLAH BLAH HATERS BLAH BLAH BLAH YOU ARE JUST JELLY"... And I can understand why this happens :| with the way they post they are simply asking for it. We got several White-Kinghts attacks in the last month and because of them the thread is now 65 pages long and increasing, I admit it's really funny but the threads are becoming a mess and the fact that the forum is still glitched doesn't help and sadly we still don't have enough mods.

"COSPLAY = BAD" "PORTRAIT = BAD" "ANIME = BAD" "FURRY = BAD" "YAOI = BAD"... I have begged them to 1.- Consider the artform, 2.- Consider the context, 3.- Avoid posting technically good artwork, I don't care if it's an animu catgirl or a furry: It's well done and that's what matters.
ThayoPi Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011
Yeah, I'm pretty disappointed that we lost a number of old users from EDF 1.0, the deviantART board always had its own charm. I have no idea where these new users came from whether they just came because of ED's death or were old time lurkers.
roflmao9000 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011
Bonus: I find it hilarious that they are acting like the kind of people we would apply the Fag tag back then.
roflmao9000 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011
I tried to get them back and some actually posted a little but then they went "What the fuck is going on here?" and never came back :I some told me that ED/EDF is death for them.

To me it seems that it's the first option + "hanging in EDF makes me a troll and a cool guy".
ThayoPi Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011
They can do whatever they want, EDF2 has a bit more freedom and less moderation. Though I'm not too surprised at old EDF users being disappointed in the new forums. But yeah, I don't know where they have gotten the idea that they were suddenly trolls when they joined EDF, it's fucking stupid. EDF, since it's original creation, never had any trolls, they were all just wannabe faggots that wanted to talk about Vampiric-Spektor or jerking off the mods.
Final-Sky Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011
It's nice to see people get it out there and yeah I mean sure you can express your opinions but there's still the social convention of politeness and courtesy sometimes I don't think people would say what'd they'd type to someone's face
PhoenixofLife Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
People are getting to be assholes online. I've seen it all over tha place. I do fanart scribbles, but I can draw pretty decent still-life and backgrounds, I just don't post it because I don't care to and personally, I find it boring. My aunts are the ones in my family who raise hell because I'm "wasting time with anime crap." I don't want to be any sort of artist in my profession whatsoever and it boggles their mind. I'd rather write, which is what I'm going into. Drawing and doodling is a hobby and I enjoy doing it. The minute I go to an art class to see if I can get any pointers, I feel like its become a job and don't want to do it until the semester's over.

I've also noticed alot of pushy people popping up. "I want this." "Don't wast you're time on that because nobody likes it, you need to do ______ instead or I'm not going to follow you." Just tell them to kiss your ass (even if you don't want to be mean ^_~) For me and alot of others, DA is like a mass gathering of people who enjoy something and can talk about it. Not a "please me or eat shit and gtfo" site. >_> I don't have that problem, just the family giving me hell thing, but I've seen it around alot. Not to mention the "fanart is not art" group. They're some of the rudest people I've ever dealt with online and offline.
Nebulahart Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Student General Artist
Simply, haters gonna hate.

(And I do agree with what you just typed because it is frankly very much true. Art does not define realism nor anime. It is all about your own ability to create a world/story/character/anything seem so alive or at least pleasingly looking--an eye candy for anyone and even yourself.)
Demii-Demmii Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011
I'm sorry to hear that people just can't get over their hate. :/ It's one thing to dislike or hate something. It's another to completely bash it. I hope you feel better!
javawombat Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011   Digital Artist
I'm sorry you've had trouble with people like that, or seen it happening - I really think it's an immaturity + anonymity thing that people just abuse. Do what you love, eff the haters! :)
DragonOnigiri Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011
i like kind criticism and give it criticism really helps but criticism doesnt mean changing ur art style for just one person. my dad thinks that i should learn how to draw "normal" things like realism when i am better at anime and dragons. i dont wanna learn realism and draw landscapes i liek the drawings i make now. my former youth group and art teacher toold me to stick with what i drawand it will come to me. my dad in a way is a non professional artist so i dont care about his opinion but i respect his opinion. so basically u dont have to do what people tel u about ur art. theres always room for improvement but u dont HAVe to
manda-j-panda Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Student Artist
I think people need to realize that only helpful criticism is the stuff to give. Telling people their art "sucks" or there are people who are way better is not going to help that artist improve. That's why artists like to hear what people liked and why. It might be that some people feel they can be extra harsh too because they're not saying it to your face in person. Still doesn't make it right.
HonourKnight Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Student
Where is the like button?
DragonOnigiri Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011
thx for saying jesus is ur savior i appreciate u for spreading the gospel
HonourKnight Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Student
no problemo
DragonOnigiri Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2011
ya it really means a lot
doggirlinu Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
HonourKnight Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Student
yay! must push....
xXNightRose14Xx Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011
Crits are helpful :D
But sometimes people say everything thats wrong in a harsh way and call it a crit which annoys me a bit :/
Frazzled-Niya Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
if people want polished they should stick to places like CG Society....

And hell this is your page, you can do whatever teh hell you want. Same with my page. I draw to keep me happy and occasionally I will draw to make my friends happy...But I don't draw for others in general.

Besides it's nice to see the "scribbles" and sketches and WIP's it, shows your progress, kinda how you do things, things we can LEARN from...etc. GEEESH people needa get their heads out of their asses.
strawberryjamm Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Student Digital Artist
LOLLL ED is just a bunch of self-righteous hypocritical bastards who have nothing better to do with their lives than hate on everything/everyone. It's funny because in that thread they were talking about how "mature" they were just because they were bashing the artwork on the thread and not the artwork itself on dA. ಠ____ಠ
Sfpamsuke Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
It's ridiculous when people say Anime and Manga "isn't art". Anime and Manga are forms of art and nothing will change that. That's like saying Cubism, Constructionism, Mannerism, etc., aren't art. Although they are forms of different time periods, they are all different in some way. People may be all "wuddafuk" over Picasso, his work is art. There are many manga styled pieces of artwork out there that are waaaaaay more intricate and interesting than some of those older pieces. Those people are just ignorantly opinionated.

For all they care, saying things like "The Mona Lisa isn't art" is the exact same thing that their saying, just aimed at a different style.

People need to calm their tits and stop bashing art when it was their choice to behold its "hideousness" in the first place.

The End.
Black-Richa Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011
colandra79 Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011   Traditional Artist
Well stated:)
j-b0x Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011
Totally agree!!
Adora-bloodthirsty Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Student Digital Artist
I didn't read this but I suggest you don't link to ED's forum threads it'll just get your friends fucked over by everyone who frequents that forum (including me) and generally isn't a good idea.

I mean why the fuck draw attention to it?
moni158 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011  Student Filmographer
I have a feeling lots of people didn't read my journal before they commented, It has nothing to do with that particular forum, I removed the link since it really seems to be distracting people from the point I am trying to make. :no:
Dibe Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Student General Artist
I absolutely love DA and find it my home within a home lol
I have had few comments that have made me mad, but most of the time, people are nice and give constructive criticism.
But it also seems like some people don't give a crap and just bombard you with unnecessary comments.
I did a picture for the anti-bullying day that we had a while back and someone started commenting on it like (I draw a lot of canines btw) "why would a dog give a crap about bullying and blah blah blah, I don't like your art, you are like all the other furry lovers, blah blah blah"
[link] this person just kept egging me on and I was blind with rage in a way.
Evidently I check recently and that person has been permanently banned from DA.
But anyways, people need to think before they comment.
I love your art and I think you should just keep doing what you love and never give a shit about what other's say :D
Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
People say anime isnt art, does not understand the concept or meaning of art.

Also, ive seen anime in contemparary galleries.. ( lol at spelling )
Cerulean-Guava Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
How rude of people. I've had that happen on multiple occasions, even at school D: One of the main reasons I've been doing realism, but that shiz needed more practice anyway.
LemonScentedTNC Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Student Writer
Oh god yes ive noticed that too with my other accounts thats why i had to make a new one DX
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kaname-chan Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011
I still believe that art should be fun. We as artists get to do what we want. Be creative in what we put down. Whether it be drawing or writing. Or any other medium. And I hate when other people try to dictate to another how they should do something. An example being from your journal. About not drawing anime. Negative comments like that are not helping anyone. And i've seen that on occasion. I've seen others before tear down a image so much that it made another artist cry cause they worked hard on their image. To only be told that it looked like something a dog threw up. ><

I do agree with you that its our own account. And we should be able to do what we like. And to be able to accept criticism gracefully. As long as its the kind that is helpful. And polite. Instead of those rude comments that don't contribute to our artistic growth. Because those can be frustrating and make one more self conscious than they already are in some cases.

As much as I like it here. It can be frustrating with the trolls and thieves :(
All it seems to take is for a few bad apples to ruin a good experience. But in the end though. I think your right with your journal. And about how we should do what we do for ourselves. I am glad you made this journal. Because the advice in it is useful. :hug:
Discarbia Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i cant agree more ! they are just some jealous haters
12-Roseonette-12 Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Student General Artist
Woo! Way to go! :D I totally agree! :)
Sumiko7741 Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
very hit the mark on that one and i've been in that place a few times as well as a few of my friends
Fuhrer-Glasses Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011
I'm going to be blunt here: STFU, get laid, remove the stick from your ass and grow thicker skin.
Kiheitai Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
that is so true, i can only see alot of wimpy ass mother fuckers who start crying at shit.
Kafae-Latte Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011  Professional Filmographer
I totally agree! Be a an artist! Have fun! Create freely! Live life. :) Half of art is about having a free enough spirit to express yourself. It's not all about your portfolio. And really, if they want to only have a professional portfolio they should make a separate 'official' account or something. :) You keep on making cool stuff girl! You rock. :)
Dearuu Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2011
lol* It's not like those people pay you or anything for being here so what gives them the right to tell you what to draw and what not? Silly people. Criticism is great as long as it's constructive and not just plain insult. I'm sorry you guys have to see such rubbish as that horrible thread.
I'll keep doing my thing also even if not a lot of people like it.. because I LOVE IT. :nod:
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