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(CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC ALERT)...Abortion... (if you want to discuss in the comment section with other people, please be respectful and mature) 

42%
2,518 deviants said I support it in certain situations ( incest, rape, medical problems, etc)
36%
2,171 deviants said I support it ( your body, your right )
11%
675 deviants said I only support it for medical problems ( the baby isn't viable or the mother is at great risk)
10%
595 deviants said I am against it completely. ( it is murder )

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PanteraSunrise Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Very true. And don't get me started on what is wrong with parenting these days, because I may blow up my computer mid-type from how upset it gets me. The attitude is horrifying to say the least.

I know there are plenty of people who weren't taught properly, but in this day of extreme information, at least in this country it's impossible to live your life to sexual maturity and not at least hear about birth control. But there are too many kids and not enough people spreading useful information for it to sink in.

However, it's not all lack of education that leads to those girls I mentioned in the last paragraph of my comment. There is also an attitude of apathy that says, hey, who cares? The people I've known like that did not have the excuse of parents who did not raise them to know better; they simply did not give a damn one way or the other about themselves or their potential children.

I do agree with your last paragraph; it is up to us to try and make a difference firsthand by teaching our kids better. Some people (who upset me greatly) say that because I don't believe in abortion or that I have Christian beliefs I'll brainwash my kids into thinking it's better to have eight kids and as many STDs than to have an abortion; no. I will teach them what I believe, but also how to be smart enough to make choices for themselves. If all I did as a parent was raise my kid to be a clone of me and have no ability to think for themselves, then I failed.
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Belinofente Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011  Student General Artist
Well, we ARE talking about the human race here, who rather use the internet for fart jokes and games than gaining knowledge.

About apathy: maybe, but from firsthand experience my mother promptly got me and my sister out of that mind set by giving us attitude adjustments, just in laziness in general. In hindsight I see how they grow into it however. When the drive to retain it isn't there. So that was one option I never considered. Good job.

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PanteraSunrise Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconbowplz: Hehe, thank you. Honestly though, it's something I see a lot in my own age group (I'm 20), just a lot of people with no drive to achieve anything. They drift from party to party, getting drunk and laughing at stupid websites, playing music loud and having random unprotected sex with whatever half-appealing stranger they get a hold of, and then trudge blindly through their life until they can do it again. There's no interest in anything except escape from reality. It's sad. I want to blame their parents, but then our world itself has a way of grinding down the unprotected until they feel like they are only empty vessels waiting for death...

Incredibly depressing. But still, I think that if their parents had raised them with their hands instead of their wallets, it wouldn't be so bad.
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Belinofente Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Student General Artist
No, it definitely wouldn't, but when the real world comes there comes the dividing line between the achievers and the failures.
I don't want to say anything so much as "they get what they ask for," because I have to pay for it too through taxes, but instead that things have a way of working themselves out.
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PanteraSunrise Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, indeed. It's a shame we don't have more natural predators roaming around to pick off the sick and weak though. Those with a real will to live would be all that was left. T'would solve some problems, I think.
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Belinofente Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011  Student General Artist
There are, and so is Mother Nature, but modern science is getting in the way. XD
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Hai-Panda-Star Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm really no expert on the subject, and to be honest, I don't really know too much about it. But this is what I think:
In my opinion, it's not really a baby until its heart starts beating and it becomes an independent system. Until then, it's just a piece of the girl's body that grows with the rest of it. And, I mean, it's certainly not like it's sentient. Before then, what makes it separate? What distinguishes a fetus as "a life" from other organs and limbs? It seems to me that, until it becomes separate, it's a part of the girl's body, and it should be her choice whether or not she wants it removed.
On top of that, if the girl doesn't want it, how is it any more moral to bring an unwanted child into the world than to stop it from being born? It seems to me that if the options are miserable child or no child, no child would be ethical choice.
Anyway, I really believe that a girl should be able to choose what she thinks is right for herself and her unborn child, which is why I don't think abortion should be illegal. Because, even if you must look at the fetus as it's own entity, a child belongs to it's mother, and if the mother truly believes that what is best for the child is for it not to be born, then that should be her decision to make.
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CsThRuH2O Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2011
I am 100% against ABORTION in ARROGENT/NARSICISSTIC personality type situations........ EXAMPLE: Someone is pregnant and they absolutely have no GOOD reason for aborting the baby, except that 'they JUST don't want it'.........thats FUCKED UP! There is NO GOOD excuse for ending an innocent life because YOU are an ASS-BAG WOMAN.
Now, given in DIRE situations as those listed above like Medical complications or BiZARRE & CRUEL circumstances than I support it as an alternative choice.
But if the woman is strong enough to with-dure the pregnancy than I would hope that she would consider carrying the baby full-term & then give it for adoption to loving & grateful parents if it won't harm her or the baby.
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c-rose-artist Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Looks like 10% of people suppost killing innocent and defenseless children. Nice to know that the majority of people don't care anough about these things. *sarcasm*
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Tsubari Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2011  Student General Artist
i agree with you :D I'm probably one of the only people who will, probably
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monky31692 Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011
i am really against it, but if the baby will 100% chance suffer greatly and die an agonizing way then no i do not support it.
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abby1996 Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I believe in giving women the right to do what they want with their bodies, meaning I am Pro Choice.
I also believe that abortion would be largely unnecessary if women were properly educated on safe and protected sex. If all women were given the education they deserve on prevention, many of these babies wouldn't have to be put up for adoption or aborted. I have witnessed the different misconceptions many young women have of sex and not getting pregnant (such as proper lubrication, ie. no petroleum based; being on top prevents you from getting pregnant; and other misconceptions). This problem alone could be solved if people would stop turning a blind eye towards premarital sex and sex with young people and actually allow sex education in schools (which is banned in many states). There is also a lack of availability to contraceptives, which causes people to have sexual relations that could cause an increase risk in pregnancy and sexual disease.
The other main reason for me choosing to be Pro Choice is that even when women choose adoption to abortion or keeping a child, they often haven't looked at the adoption situation in many places in the country. Many states have extremely flawed foster care systems that just shuffle children from one place to another, giving them many social problems. They also tend to be underfunded and misguided without the proper resources to take care of the children in their care.
Once these problems are fixed , I believe and hope that people will one day not have to choose between having the child and raising it in deplorable conditions (ie. poverty, unloving family, etc.), giving up the child for adoption in a system that is so screwed they will likely end up with problems later in life, or having an abortion and suffering the guilt women often feel as a result.
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Rekey Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2011
I'm one of those people that couldn't do it myself whether people consider it a fetus or a baby. I know that if I was the person growing inside of me or anyone else I would want the chance to live no matter who the father was or whether or not the mom keeps me after the birth or not. I know that a fetus can't think while developing but I know that later the chance will be recognized. I think along the line of 'what if it where me' The only reason that I would give the abortion an OK is if the mother and/or child would not live through the birth or C-Section process.
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blckrani Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011  Student General Artist
First, let me say that I realize I am late to this conversation. Terribly late and that my two cents aren't really of that much import. Either way, I'll throw them out there.

Second, I found the comments to be deliriously delightful to read, for many reasons. At times I almost felt light-headed, but that might be due to the sheer amount of comments there are to sift through.

Third, I must apologize that I did not, in fact, read all of them. For obvious reasons. I apologize ahead of time if I repeat any already stated opinions, unintentionally offend, or simply fail to make any sense.

It should be noted that "you" in the following is a broad, general pronoun not intended to pinpoint a specific person or group. Now, on to the topic at hand.

I am, for all intents and purposes, for abortion. I find can find no reason why the government should, at any time, be so involved in a matter that is so personal. In any capacity be it local, state, or federal, the government should NEVER be involved in such a matter. For any reason at any time. Allowing them to have such a say in a matter such as abortion allows them to dictate other aspects of one's personal life as well, which is unethical and morally reprehensible. In addition to it violating the mother's rights as well.

Say what you will. The fetus/amagalmation of cells/baby/not-yet-born-child-prodigy-of-the-future, I don't care. It is a part of the mother. It is not a separate life until it is born. No one but the mother, up until it is born, can care for it. No one but the mother, until it is born, can bear it. Even if one incubated the fetus at whatever stage it can "survive" outside the mother's womb, at the very least, up until that point that thing is a part of the mother.

At the very best, the government should restrict at what point abortions should be illegal (ie, no partial-birth abortions) save for rare cases. Even then I'm not sure they should.

On a personal level, I am against abortion. Personally, I don't think I could choose to go through with one. Then again, I never intend to rear the damned things. I do not like children. I know, for a fact and without a doubt I have no maternal instincts. I could not care for one. I can not care for one. But I don't know if I could make that choice.

I've had time to think over this topic. On another forum some years ago I was extremely vehement about the child's life. In every situation it was the child fist. I've come to realize that personal opinions shouldn't matter. The only time they do is when they involve you.

Does that mean I should take option that away from someone else? No. My personal opinion should not impose another's right.

Personal opinions based on emotion or religion or what have you, should not dictate what action government should take. It should be unbiased, unemotional, and nonreligious. If you believe in one thing, but someone stuffs a law down your throat saying what you think is wrong, what you do is wrong, how can you possibly say that is just? Particularly if the issue is extremely personal and localized to one, or a select few? You cannot tell me that every abortion affects everyone. Because it doesn't.

I do not feel affected in any way if a woman I've never met gets an abortion.

As for if the fetus feels pain, I don't know. Science says it does, it doesn't, at this stage it can, yadda, yadda, yadda. I don't know. Depending on the science being conducted and who's funding it can help dictate when and whether it can or cannot. So, I'm going to stick with I don't know. To be honest, I agree with whomever stated something along the lines of "what does it know of pain?" What real difference does it make? Never being born means it never will feel pain again, if it feels pain at all while being aborted. What is momentary pain to a thing that has and will never know it felt pain at all, to a lifetime of seemingly endless torture? Especially if the child is borne to a mother who never wanted it? Who was incapable of caring at all for it? Who was thrown into the foster system and never adopted? Who's father raped its mother? What kind of pain is that to allow a kid to go through?

I know the backlash will probably be along the lines of "well, they could have a good life." Or, "it should be given a chance." Yes, they could have a good life. It's entirely possible. I'm more inclined to think not, particularly if the mother does not want it. If kids can come from parents that wanted them and their lives suck, how could an unwanted, undesired being walk away with a good life? More often than not they probably don't. As for the "it should be given a chance" my question to you is "why?" Just to see if, just maybe, it could be the next Einstein? Because we don't have the "right" to take away another life? Sorry, but the ball of cells in her uterus isn't a life. Not yet. Not until it can live independently of the mother. But, what right do we have to tell a woman she must carry to term, particularly if she does not desire it?

It is my impression that a lot of people who are adamant about abolishing abortion have a rose-colored view of the world and its workings. That if one believes hard enough everything will be peachy. Well, it won't. I get that the unborn may have a chance at a good life - hell, may even cure cancer one day - but does that give anyone the right to force the mother's hand? But, what people seem to forget, is that the kid that mother was forced to have could be a genocidal maniac. If you wish to make the argument for one side, it would be wise to consider the opposite argument. Either way, to work in the realm of possibilities is no way to work at all. We can never know what could have happened differently.

As for religion... It has no place for such personal matters. Not on a scale to push laws into effect anyway. Keep your religion to yourself or your close family, but don't use it as a crutch to make a point. Not everyone has the same god(s) or goddess(es) so why even bring it to the discussion? As personal relevance, perhaps, just so people can understand where you are coming from. That's fine, but condemning people for their (lack of?) belief is petty and only decreases your chances of being taken even remotely seriously.

As much as people detest to hear it, the environment plays a major factor as well. As it stands we have overpopulated the earth. Not tomorrow, not in twenty years, now. It sounds terrible if you factor in all your goopy emotions, but think about it logically and you'll see that the fewer people added will help alleviate, if only temporarily, a growing problem. Yes, there are other ways to decrease the population: hope that disease strikes, war breaks out, disasters hit, etc. But there is no denying that abortion does help too. And in the end, the amount of abortions there are will not outweigh the amount of births. Think it terrible if you will, those are just facts.

As for adoption as an option, I cannot speak from experience. But you cannot rely on it as an alternative. It isn't. Not really. The system is overloaded already, how is throwing another kid into the mix actually helping? You can't guarantee that it would get a good home, even if they managed to get adopted. So, what kind of a better life is it if the life they get is not good at all? Just because they got one? That's silly. What kind of life is it if they're suffering?

And this has been another thing kind irking me throughout some of the comments. "Why should they abort when other couples can't conceive?" Or something along those lines. If these couples, which seem to be extraordinarily numerous based on the amount of times the argument has been made, really wanted children...why aren't they adopting? You realize that the sheer numbers do not add up if you factor in a) sterile couples wanting children, b) the number of children in the foster system, and c) the number of children aborted. The potential children they could adopt so far out number the amount aborted. So, the question is, how does abortion affect whether or not these couples adopt? If they're so keen on it, what is stopping them? Or is this just to guilt-trip women to giving birth? Because Bob and Sally can't make a baby you need to have one for them, even though it is highly unlikely you will ever meet either of them, nor will your child should you give them up for adoption. That is simply illogical.

I, honestly, think the real problem isn't that the woman is choosing to terminate a pregnancy, but rather the "death" of an unborn child. Emphasis on the death part. As a whole, humans have twisted the view of death as a violent and terrible thing and that to end a potential life is atrocious and extremely wrong and a violation of the natural order. One reason why we put so much emphasis on living as long as possible. Not as good as possible, as long. Simply put though, it isn't. We all must die sometime. Why is it so abhorring for death to come so soon? Because someone willed it to? Or because death is some scary, unknown thing? Dunno, maybe it's just me that sees this as the real problem.

If nothing else, if you really want to put a moral/ethical emphasis on decisions that do not affect you, then here's my proposition/question: Does it not speak louder that a woman who has full access to abortion with no questions asked, counseling before/after the abortion, and the knowledge she will not be judged, can choose to have the kid as opposed to forcing a woman through the pregnancy or have her risk her life seeking alternative methods of abortion? What does that say morally if the woman, despite not really wanting the kid, decides to have them even though she has the option to abort? How can anyone say that it is morally right to force a woman to have a child? Especially when you know that abortion is still an option for those who seek it out. The only problem is it no longer becomes safe. It really speaks, as a society, when you have full and legal right to do things, even if they are viewed as socially inappropriate, and you make a choice instead of being forced to do what society thinks you should.

For those of you who commented on, basically, how easily a woman can disregard that ball of cells growing inside her can, quite frankly, go to hell. No offense, but can you seriously think it's as simple as that? How arrogant and narrow-minded.

To each their own. But can pro-lifers honestly say that with a straight face when they can, will, and do condemn and attempt to deny a woman her right to choose?\

In the end, I guess what I'm really trying to say is, regardless of what side you're on, we're all monsters. Doesn't matter how you slice it. The only question you should ask is, "What kind of a monster am I?"

I apologize for this being as long as it was. And realize not all of it made sense nor was it based on logic, if much at all.
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ayusakura Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011
My family is against abortion~ and i can understand why
after reading all these comments i realized that it's better to abort(i still think its wrong >_<) than bringing a life into the world and make them suffer their whole life and not be loved.
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lunasrl1 Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
The way I see it...

If u got pregnant cause you weren't careful, why should you get out of the responsibility?
If it was incest/rape...that's very unfortunate, but it's not the child's fault it happened. Don't punish a child for a man's sin.
Religious or not, it is HUMAN. It is ALIVE. How dare you think it's oaky,that you have the right to take the life of another. It's not YOUR life. It's a CHILD'S life.
If the child/mother could possibly die...well one there's always C-Section, I was born that way and would've died otherwise...and two....there's stillt eh chance that either or both of you can live. Don't jump the gun, give the hcild a chance. If it dies, it wasn't meant to live and it's tragic but it's no death on your hands. if YOU can die...well, then, I guess youre selfish enough to take anotehr life to save your own. ANd if you're a mother who wanted the child.....a mother should be willing to give their life for their child.

All in all, abortion is wrong and there is NO justification for it.

You can disagree of course, but this is what I believe.
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Hai-Panda-Star Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not trying to attack you, so please, ignore me if you don't want to answer xDD
I'm just curious, and I love a good debate.
So, here are my questions about what you've said.

Surely it's not the "child's" fault if you were raped, but it's not your fault either. Why should you have to endure such a punishment as pregnancy (which is a pretty big deal) for something that wasn't your fault? Especially if the thing itself was already such a horrible and traumatic experience?
Why do you say that the fetus is human and alive; what's your definition of human?
Also, it may not be "YOUR life," but it's not just "a CHILD's life" either; it's YOUR CHILD's life. So, what if you believe that what is best for your child is to stop it from being born?
Why would you see removing a fetus to save your own life as trading one life for another, when the fetus has yet to live, and you already have a life full of people that love you?
Perhaps there are some people who will inherently love the baby, but don't more people already love and care about you? In which case, why would saving your own life be selfish?

LoL, again, sorry for the onslaught of questions! I'm just curious, and, as I said, I love a good debate. ^-^ Feel free to ignore me, really. I'm really only answering you for myself, Haha xDD

Also, I agree with the last argument you made--that a mother should be willing to giver her life for her child. I definitely believe that once the decision has been made to bring a child into the world, the parents should be ready to give their lives to it.

. . . And that's enough outta me! I'll stop bothering you now... >.>
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lunasrl1 Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I understand, I love a good debate too as long as both sides are respectful :)

Indeed, that's a tough debate. I can't say I wouldn't understand that line of thinking, it's hard. Life is hard, and things will happen. I think, though, it's always important to keep the blame where it belongs. Things will happen in life that you can have no control over them, and getting pregnant because of rape is one of them. If you were to go with a pro-life path, you would have to endure the whole pregnancy and then choose whether or not to keep the child or give it away, hopefully to a kind home. I express sympathy for people who have to live that life because of another's selfishness, but all I can say is you'd be surprise how strong you can be when you have to be, especially if it's to keep a sense of morality. I guess basically what I'm saying is regardless of how horrible it is...trust in yourself to stand up despite the suffering, carry the child and overcome the crisis, because everyone suffers in some way, whether it's the death of a loved one or a serious illness or, in such a case, rape. Dont misplace the blame; I think that, in itself, is a very selfish thing to do, even with the traumatic experience. (hopefully that all made sense and I answered it well enough)

well, for one I'd say it's the DNA (though I'm no expert so I dont know if the fetus of a human is genetically different from a human itself, but I would think it's the same since it grows into one~) and two, it's a life growing within a human, so I'd think it'd make sense that it'd be a human from the start? Hopefully that doesn't sound like nonsense or childish thinking. ^^;

yes, I can see that...but then I'd think you'd be underestimating it. Life, itself, is full of trials and humans are surprisingly strong, even if the odds might be against them. If it's a matter of your child might die...I think it's always important to give something a chance. Give the child a chance to live. If it really isn't meant to live then it won't and while it may be sad it is life. However if youre child can pull through, wouldn't that be amazing? If you love your child you can stand by it and help it grow stronger still and appreciate the life it was given, it could achieve it's dreams (on the flip side it could either be a normal healthy child in the end or it could be a sickly and pessimistic child because of its circumstance, and you can try to help it see the better side of life...but we don't know the future~so you should still give it a chance to see how far it can go in life.)
If you're going to decide what's best for your child, then you should love your child at least (I mean, why should you decide a child's fate if you dont even care about it?) and if you love your child, then the one thing I think any mother would do is do whatever she could to give her child life, and a good one at that. My mom always tells me she'd give her life for mine in a heartbeat, so I like to think that a good mom would be willing to do whatever she could for her child to make sure it grows up happy (and well-adjusted hopefully). So if you love your child, why would killing it be better than standing by your child and helping it grow and possibly have a happy life? I can understand the way of thinking, kill it to relieve it of its suffering... but even if it's only a chance, your child, if you love it, deserves whatever happiness it can achieve. If you take away that chance I think you'd only live with the guilt and the regret for the rest of your life..as well as the dreaded question "what if?"

because the fetus IS alive, regardless if you see it as having a "soul" or not. It is alive, and therefore it is trading a life for another. I can see your point though, you have people who love you and the fetus is yet to be born, yes...but if you love the child and want to give it a chance then, again, you should be willing to sacrifice your life (once a child, even in fetus form, comes into your life and you love it, I think it should be first in your life, though a very very close second being your spouse and close family and friends~ believe me, I dont mean to disregard them because I love my family and friends dearly, I'd just place my child first).
If you don't love your child, then I can't really say. That would be where religion and one's definition of morality comes in, and everyone believes different things. I'd give my life to save a fetus/child, even if I didn't want to keep it. But another would most certainly not agree. So in the end I guess it'd be up to you decide what's truly right.
Though I guess I should also add that in regards to there being people who love you bit...I understand, of course I do, but...it's not about them. I dont mean to sound rude or anything, because I know they're important...but it's you and the child at stake. You have to decide if your child deserves a chance at life, even at the cost of your life, or if you should let it go to save yourself. There may be people that love you, there may be people that could love the child for you, but in the end I wouldn't choose to factor them in because not only could it make the decision biased and harder to make...but, again, the particular decision doesn't really concern them since it's not their lives at stake. You may hurt them with your death, you'll be hurt yourself with the death of your child (if you wanted it), I guess you gotta decide which is the lesser of the two evils.

Though I know everyone's different and many would disagree with all that, and that's fine. You can't change the world, we're all entitled to disagree~ I just hope I can change a few people's minds is all, or at least I got my word out and that's good enough~ So feel free to disagree with me, and hopefully I explained my answers clearly, I tend to ramble and lose track a bit of what I'm saying so hopefully everything made sense I and I got it across as I meant to. (basically I hope I didn't sound like an idiot XD )

and I'm glad you agree with me on that~ :) I'd give my life for my child any day, but that's me XD;;

but anyway, again, I hoped I answered all of this well enough and that you're satisfied~ and I emphasize to everyone that this is my opinion and I'm not trying to force my views onto anyone~ I hope I can change minds, I hope there are some who agree with me, but I also hope that those who disagree with me will be polite if they choose to voice it ^^;


Oh, and sorry it took me a while to reply, I dont check DA as often anymore ^^; and also sorry for the very long reply~ But have a good day, and Merry Christmas I should say! (or Happy Holidays, whichever you prefer~)
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Tsubari Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2011  Student General Artist
+1 :)
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lunasrl1 Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
thank you :)
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Tsubari Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2011  Student General Artist
ur welcome ^^
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tutifruti41 Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I chose "I support it ( your body, your right )" but I guess I should've clicked "I support it in certain situations ( incest, rape, medical problems, etc)".
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OwlDream-san Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2011
Would you kill the child if it was fully formed in your arms? No disrespect meant, to each their own. This is what I believe though. So, please don't get mad at me.
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Avernion Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2011
My mother read a book about a woman who was the head of an abort clinic. One day this woman help assist an “operation” or whatever you call it, and saw how this little fully developed child got sucked into this operational suction tube. What really struck her was the fact that the little child struggled until the very end to get away from the suction. She wrote that to her it seemed like the child was in pain. The last thing she saw was the spine of the child getting sucked in. After that she quit her job and changed her whole view about abortion. If anyone’s interested in the book I can look up the name and author of it.

I think a lot of people would change their view of abortion if we got informed more about what’s really happening. A lot of people seem to think that what you remove is nothing more than an unfeeling blob. I vote for more information to the masses. And good working precautions.
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Helija Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2011  Student General Artist
They don't do abortions on fully developed babies. It is too risky for woman's life and is illegal.
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inkcat00 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2011
I would rather the mother aborts early rather than bring a baby into a world where it will grow up in a hostile environment where it could be abused or abandoned.
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Veatrix Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2011  Student General Artist
Agreed!
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ryokoXamaya Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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Go-Goliath Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2011
I'm a little late to answer this but...
Perhaps I'm crass, but I believe that a woman should have a choice in whether or not she should keep her unborn child. We don't live in an archaic and primative society, and abortion is arbitrary. A woman who decides to get an abortion should not be reproved for her choice. If she cannot provide or care for the child, then it is absurd for her to keep it just because it is objectified by those who are ignorant and narrow minded and have nothing better to do than judge and chastise what they have no control over.


Just saying.
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kirbywarrior1 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2011
I'm a little late to the party on this one, but my two cents are that I feel that abortion is unfortunate and should be avoided, but it is terribly important that it be legal so it can be regulated for safety.

In cases of incest, rape, safety of the mother, etc, it's far more understandable, but if a woman wants to get one just because she is reckless in her sex life, tough luck. Actions have consequences and that's no different for this, or for the man that knocked her up. My mental jury is still out on when exactly "human life" is established, and I feel it's best to err on the side of sooner rather than later.
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VelocityOfSand Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
"When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit."(Luke 1:41)
This was when Mary went to see Elizabeth approximately 2 weeks after God told her that she would have Jesus.
I Know that I will never ever have an abortion, no matter what happens to me, and nothing can change that.:D
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Belinofente Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2011  Student General Artist
Religion should have NOTHING to do with this.
:iconsorcerer-twins: you may talk your OPINION to me when all the adoption agencies and orphanages stand empty.
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PanteraSunrise Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Religion is a form of personal belief, but though I have some spiritual beliefs myself, my position on this isn't really based on that. Still, people should be allowed to voice their opinion no matter what it is.
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Belinofente Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011  Student General Artist
I agree with you: I have no problem with people voicing their opinions/personal beliefs. It is when they try to impose it on others is where I have the problem.
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PanteraSunrise Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Yet you seem to be imposing your own by saying that such shouldn't be allowed, don't you think?
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Belinofente Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011  Student General Artist
Then where is the line drawn? I'm genuinely curious.
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PanteraSunrise Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
It's a very hard one to draw, in the end... I would say it merely could have been better worded. Instead of outright saying, religion doesn't belong, it would be better to ask that the person not make judgments on other people's choices based on their religion.
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Belinofente Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011  Student General Artist
Oh, no no no. I thought you were referring to me imposing my opinion of others not imposing their opinion, but I would be imposing my opinion on them. So I thought you were referring to not just religion, but any discussion?
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PanteraSunrise Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, both really. You can take out that topic and insert any other. It's just the way I phrased it, that was an example.
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moni158 Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2011  Student Filmographer
What is going on here :paranoid: ????

Sorry I am butting in...^^;
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Belinofente Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2011  Student General Artist
No problem at all! What's going on is the user mentioned is trolling and harassing all of your watchers without reason while using God as a guise.

Everyone has their own opinion, and everyone can voice it, but it's a completely different matter when that person goes around calling people murderers for their beliefs. Have a look for yourself: she's been replying to everyone's post that express opinions separate from hers.

But I'm sure you're curiosity had you do that already. XD
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moni158 Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2011  Student Filmographer
:iconimspeechlessplz: Ehhhhhh, I wanted people to be respectful and mature, I don't really want her harassing people on my poll
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Belinofente Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2011  Student General Artist
In a way it's expected, but I was happy to see that other users are like that. From the majority that I read, the rest of the group are playing nice. It was refreshing for me to read so many opinions.

But I wanted to thank you for starting this, and this applies to all touchy subjects. Just because people don't want to talk about it isn't going to make it go away. And not saying anything isn't going to help people in finding a medium that both parties can agree with.
A common quote here in the United States is: "If you want to keep a friend, never speak of religion or politics."
Society shouldn't be like that.
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gabi-b Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2011
The choice to have a child or not, especially in the case of an unwanted child(eg. rape, underage, etc) is a woman's fundamental human right. It should be her choice whether she wants to bring a child into the world or not. Plus when the fetus is recognized as a living human being(at 24 weeks I believe) you're not allowed to abort anyway, and therefore prior to that it is not considered "murder" i.e. the taking of a another human life.
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Amadoodles Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2011
Hmmm, just an interesting thing that I noticed. While browsing through lots of comments, I see that lots of people say that people should just start using contraceptives such as condoms, and if they get pregnant because they failed to use such things, then they can't have an abortion/they were stupid and should face the consequences.

The thing is, is that contraceptives are (from what I know, a western (and maybe eastern?)) thing. They are not applicable across all cultures. The reason that so many international intervention programs fail when brought to places such as Africa, is that people fail to recognise the importance of contexts and the role that culture plays. Just today we learned about an intervention program that people from outside of the country's culture attempted. They decided that to aid poverty stricken communities, they would introduce them to beekeeping. But when they brought out the beekeeping masks, the people all ran away, and only two brave men stayed behind to explain the reason. The reason being that the beekeeping masks looked like the spirit that communicated with the world of the ancestors and was greatly feared. And thus, because of something that simple, the intervention failed terribly. In the same way, some cultures (usually the more rural ones that are keeping their own culture free of dilution from western culture) often will refuse the use of condoms or other contraceptives for various reasons, many of which are usually cultural. Things that are taken for granted, or as general knowledge in one context, are often not acknowledged or unkown in another. There are not always other options.
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Sorcerer-twins Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2011
(Not saying this you you Moni, I don't know what you think, It's for whoever takes the time to read it. I'm not accusing you of anything :) )

Incest, and Rape account for less then 1% of all pregnancies. It's also possible to do medical treatments while pregnant. Have you ever seen the picture of the baby grasping the doctors hand while he was working to save the baby? Did you also know that the baby was still in it's mother's womb? As in ONLY a few months after fertilization? You can't tell me that it doesn't feel, or doesn't think because we can't remember being toddlers; so remembering time spent in the womb is impossible. It wouldn't be to hard to give pretty strong evidence to support that even i those stages of life we are still human.

Obviously I feel very strongly about this matter. It's murder, and for some people it's always okay unless your the one being aborted. We could've had another Martin Luther King Jr. George Washington, and so many lives that could've stepped up and made a change for the bettering of human kind.

Most animals don't resort to killing their own young. When we do; we reduce ourselves to a level that is LOWER then an animal.
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Belinofente Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2011  Student General Artist
How many unwanted children have you adopted? If none, then shut up. You have no right to be chastising and harrassing other users here. You're a part of the problem.

The proper term and word usage for abortion is: to put an end to a process. Nowhere in any dictionary does it mean "to kill."

FYI: If a bitch whelps and one of her pups is inferior (abnormalities that keep it from feeding and functioning correctly as a dog) then that dog will push that pup away from the rest of the litter because she know it will not survive. And she doesn't want it to, because it would add inferior genetics to the gene pool. Any animal on the face of this planet is like that, or the weak get eaten: they don't live long enough to survive.

Humans are the only species on this planet that are willing to save the genetic rejects and have them pass on their problems to the next generation. What do you think happened in the past? The world has ALWAYS been about the strong surviving, and just because we invented electricity doesn't make humans any different.

You can't justify to me why someone would bring a child to this world that can't take care of itself when it grows up. There are adults out there that need to be hand fed, bathed, and taken care of 24/7 because they can't help themselves at all. These people usually don't live to be 30.
Worse yet, no one wants to take care of them.

You're being selfish.

So you tell me what type of life that is. Tell me. Explain it, you MISSIONARY.
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PanteraSunrise Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
What the fuck is wrong with you? She voiced an OPINION. You don't have any more right than her to state your beliefs. This poll was about sharing what we think, not judging each other based on how correct we view one another's thinking process. Whether someone agrees with you or not, you don't have the right to tell them to shut up. The only flamer here is YOU.
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Belinofente Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011  Student General Artist
First off, I don't think "fuck" has anything to do with me, so I suggest you please refrain from saying any vulgarity at all, as it entirely takes away from the intelligence of your comment.
Second, the middle and last portion of your comment conflicts with itself. Yes, this poll was about sharing our thoughts, with maybe a reply of agreement here or there, but there should be no reason why someone like her comments on every person who is in favor of abortion by saying "you're going to hell. You will be damned by God" and so on. So it wasn't just the matter of her not accepting others opinions, but also trying to force her religion into the discussion also.
Never did I mention that I was judging her, and I wasn't; that's just how you chose to interpret it. And before you go and call me a flamer I suggest you go read every page of this journal to see how many people THIS person was flaming.
Touché, woman.
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PanteraSunrise Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm sorry for the profanity, but I was very upset by the comment. I'm not defending her point of view, merely her right to speak it. With your bold font and exclamation points all I saw was a vicious attack that said nothing so much as 'I hate what you're saying, so I hate you too'. Now I didn't read many pages of the commentary on the poll- it was upsetting- and if she did that, then obviously she needs to settle down and stop it.
I don't see what 'touche' has to do with it since I'm not attacking you. But it was extremely upsetting to see you saying so violently 'if you've never adopted a kid then shut up!' when the only comment I saw her make was that she didn't agree with it. If you want to snap at her for flaming, do so on the actual flaming comments, because all you really accomplished was to confuse me and seem extremely angry over nothing. Consider that, if you would, please.
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